Brokenhearts
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 6, 2006 16:44:45 GMT -5
I LOVE THAT FILM!!!!!! IT IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVOURITE FILM!!!!! and has helped me ALOT with my political story (it's calld Footprints- bt tht's nt relevent). but it's just… it's amazing…
WHO'S SEEN IT?!?! does anyone think it's possible to happen?! coz unfortunetly, i do… i mean george orewell isn't exactly wrong in 1984 and he was only out by 20 years… that's really scary actually. coz they prejudice against alot that has to do with my family… but yeah- dus anyone actually think it's possible to happen? at such a large scale like that?
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Post by Denithar on Sept 7, 2006 17:25:57 GMT -5
To a certain extent, it is happening. Bisexual people are mistreated and often killed in strict and radical Muslim countries like Iran. And of course that is just my example, anyone else who commits acts against Allah's will are in peril. It's so weird that everyone focuses on Britain and America. Of course we have problems, but nothing like a lot of places.
I thought the film was okay.Wasn't the greatest acting, but it entertained me.
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 7, 2006 17:30:06 GMT -5
any which way is annoying… of of mi teachers startd bulllsh!ttin tht there was no such thing as a gay/bi muslim. WRONG!!!! there r LOTS!!! unfortunetly… it's only the radicals that have their voices heard… because they will do anything to have what they have said. read 1984- u'll see what i mean. but the thing with america and britain is that they're much more cosmopolitan- there for they have alot more problems, they admittedly not at such a scale in places like iran. but because there is so much of it- it almost equals up- u see? or am i nt makin sense…?
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Post by Denithar on Sept 8, 2006 0:31:15 GMT -5
weeel, I think I got you, but I would say America and Britain get more heat just because they are easier to accuse. If you got the chance, you could call Blair a fool to his face, and he couldn't send his men after you. (You'd probably be hustled out of the building though.) Do that to a Muslim leader, however, and you most likely won't see the next day. America and Britain are easier targets, and though I do recognize that we can be a LOT better, I totally believe that overall we are better than almost anywhere else.
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Post by eakyra on Sept 8, 2006 0:53:32 GMT -5
This movie rocked my socks off. I mean... I was like... lost for awhile.
And V's sex appeal kept fluctuating like a woman's mood when its "that time".
(although in the end... he was HOT)
Good movie, and the whole message was quite invigorating.
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 10, 2006 18:40:46 GMT -5
hey den- that's a little unfair. i;ve calling pakistani muslim leader's… i think it was "you're a complete jacka$$" on more than one occasion- i'm still here. and they weren't exactly unknown either. the most i got was 'dnt b rude' frm mi mum, who new them some how. and it depends on the leader- suddaam hussain is also an unfair example seeing as it wasn't the muslims who put him up there in the first place- it was the american and british governement unfortunetly. and same goes for usama bin laden- he was a CIA man, with CIA training for russia. and if u say that america and britian r alot better than other places- r u surprised?! they've taken control of places, and left them in that state. luk at pakistan (simpley because that's a country im most familliar with  )- the british took over, and closed down all the factories in pakistan so they would have to by over seas. wats more is look at the mess they left with kashmir- it was the british that sorted out which land went where in that dispute, but they didn't sort out kashmir. and now the fighting is still going on. the real thing is- is that britain and america have it so much better off, that the blame is going to them to make it look like they can sympathise with other countries like these. 11th september happens- suddenly terrorisum is a gr8 big issue that we all must b aware of… when inface suicide bombers and the like have been around for a very long time, jst not in western society. unfortunetly- i believe that america and britain r alot better than other countries simply by mistakes that have been made in the past. imagine what sort of country india/pakistan could have been if they had not been separated- or even had the land dispute sorted out much longer. with a treaty under their belt, and up and workin factories- it could have been a very powerful coutry. same goes for places like palistine and isreal. if america (im nt sure about any where else unfortunetly- sorry) stopped supplyin them with bombs- their religious/land war would b over very quickly. im pretty sure u'll have somethin 2 say about tht- bt thts my opinion EAKY- IM WITH U ALL THE WAY ON THAT 1!!!!! everythin u sed!!! i was lost the first time i watched it… bt the more i watched it, the more i understood. it has 2 b 1 of the best films of all time!!!! even the love scenes weren't over done and sappy ;D |
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Post by eakyra on Sept 10, 2006 22:39:42 GMT -5
I know... and I hate overly done Sappy loves scenes. *giggles*
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Post by Denithar on Sept 11, 2006 18:37:35 GMT -5
No, I do see what you mean, and you have a valid point. And it helps for your argument that you've actually been to Pakistan.  And actually, my point is not quite correct, because the point of the film was that it was an oppressive government, but it was a hidden form of oppression, whereas what we're talking about now are countries with blatantly oppressive regimes. So, we're covering too broad a subject now, and it's getting confusing. But you do have to admit that bisexual people, women, Christians, Jews, etc, have less freedom, and are in varying degrees of danger in many Muslim countries. Now, maybe America doesn't even deserve to be a peaceful, free place. But the point wasn't whether they should be, but whether they are a better place to live than the Muslim countries. I think I would very much rather live in America than, say, Somalia. (Being a Christian, and a Caucasian, I would of course be less comfortable than you would be. But even you, as a woman, wouldn't have the same rights as you do in Britain.) How would America stopping from supplying Israel end the conflict? Unless you mean Israel being destroyed by the Muslims that hate them? I know the Palestinians couldn't destroy them alone, but if America didn't stand by Israel then they might very well. (Funny aside fact. If you believe the interpretation of the bible as concerns Israel, it would seem that their state will survive till the end days, so it's fascination for me to see whether they will in fact survive all the hate against them.) On a none debate subject, I was accepted into my College's Chamber choir, which means I go to Europe this Spring. Wahoo! I expect you to give me an extensive tour, Broky.  |
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 11, 2006 18:54:31 GMT -5
as i said b4- it honestly does depend on the muslim country ur talking about. in pakistan- everyone's pretty much equal, gays, bis, women, men, hindus, christans (appart frm u're obvious prejudice idiots that u have everywhere). but some where like afghanistan (and im part afghani) i can see wat u mean. but women r still treated with alot of respect there, and they've come along way- but all the same. though jews rn't as prejudiced as every1 thinks- afghani's declared themselves decended from jews during the world war 2- and many jews fled too muslim countries, to which they were quite welcome. palistine isn't as rich in weaponary as everyone thinks- i dunno wats happened recently (with the whole kidnapping and bombin and everything) but just a year ago- irealies had alot more weaponary than palistinians. but, like i sed- i dunno wats happened recently. LOL!!! yeah… u got me thinkin now  THAT'S AWESOME DEN!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D LMAO!!!! it'll b jst b4 mi exams then i'll show u round london- fair deal? |
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Post by Denithar on Sept 11, 2006 19:08:21 GMT -5
Mmkay, then I'll recede my argument, since I certianly can't speak with authority on all Muslim countries. I just assumed since the Koran puts women below men that Muslims would follow this code, but I'm very glad to hear that it is not so. (And yeah, the bible kinda does the same thing with women. But I suppose you have to judge a religion by how they act, not by what the books, or some people say. So, basically the same with both religions then. Christians, mostly, have equal status, no matter who they are. And you're telling me that it's the same with some Muslims, so that's awesome.) Oh, yeah, I know. Israel's military is way more powerful than the Palestinian military. Sweet! Sounds great.  |
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 11, 2006 19:21:39 GMT -5
christianity and islam r basically the same religion really. main differences: traditions, one extra prophet, and one's earlier than the other. appart frm tht- same bleedin thing. my theory anyway- and i;ve read both qur'an and bible, and been taught about both (perks of bein half and half). O YEAH- different language of origin. other than that *shrugs* unfortunetly 4 muslims… the way spme ppl r actin- aint castin a gd light on the rest of us aka- suddaam hussain. bt that's a different arguement entirely yeah i no- thts wat i thort. bt wasn't the a kidnapping recently? an isrealy soldier? and there was another all out battle over it or somethin? meh… ive been away 2 long… heh heh ;D this shud b fun. b glad i no c london better than the back of my hand!!! |
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Post by Denithar on Sept 11, 2006 21:32:31 GMT -5
ROFL! There was a war and you didn't even know it... But it wasn't Palestinians, it was a terrorist group staged in Lebanon called Hezbollah, and the war lasted 34 days. It was complicated, because Israel was going after Hezbollah, but Hezbollah, being the scum of earth, were hiding behind women and children, so there were quite a few civilian casualties.
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 12, 2006 10:46:32 GMT -5
oooooo… no- i've heard about it. i jst have terrible geography (hence the reason i dropped it ). i didn't no the details either. just rumours flying about. I HATE BEING AWAY FRM EVERYTHING AND NT UNDERSTANDING URDU!!!!!!! the news was always in urdu… i understand pushto… nt flipping urdu… gah… [/rant] |
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Post by eakyra on Sept 16, 2006 0:09:48 GMT -5
You all should move this too the debate section. Heaven knows they want one!
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Post by Brokenhearts on Sept 19, 2006 14:26:35 GMT -5
LOL!!!!! yep… that's tru… bt it's pretty much over…
unless… heh heh- I CN DEBATE THIS!!!! I NO ABOUT V FOR VANDETTA AND ALL OF THIS!!!! i suck @ the EU business seein as i have no idea of wats goin on…
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)- the british took over, and closed down all the factories in pakistan so they would have to by over seas. wats more is look at the mess they left with kashmir- it was the british that sorted out which land went where in that dispute, but they didn't sort out kashmir. and now the fighting is still going on.
And actually, my point is not quite correct, because the point of the film was that it was an oppressive government, but it was a hidden form of oppression, whereas what we're talking about now are countries with blatantly oppressive regimes. So, we're covering too broad a subject now, and it's getting confusing. 
THAT'S AWESOME DEN!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D LMAO!!!! it'll b jst b4 mi exams then