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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 27, 2006 19:18:16 GMT -5
Several full-length; many, many picture-related.
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Post by Donald Duck on Nov 27, 2006 19:21:16 GMT -5
No, I want to know exactly or close to how many book you have read.
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Post by Gil Alexander on Nov 27, 2006 19:24:45 GMT -5
i have to agree with John on this one. I'm a Christian myself, and it's hard to argue with facts like those.
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Post by Donald Duck on Nov 27, 2006 19:30:33 GMT -5
I am not truly against on how old the Earth is to scientists. I just want to know how many books John has read.
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Post by Denithar on Nov 27, 2006 19:38:17 GMT -5
I've read many books, even picture related ones , that had dinosaurs in the same period as man.
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Post by Donald Duck on Nov 27, 2006 19:42:58 GMT -5
I'm bored so I'm on both sides at the moment. Den, what about you how many have you read?
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 28, 2006 10:51:05 GMT -5
I've read many books, even picture related ones , that had dinosaurs in the same period as man. Den, give me titles and authors. And also, is that the only scientific resource you have that makes you think humans lived in the same period as dinosaurs? In case you're unfamiliar with the way we date humans and dinos, there are a number of ways. First, we must determine how deeply in sediment dinosaurs are buried, and how deeply human remains are. Human fossils have been found much closer to the surface than Dinosaurs. Still, that doesn't give us a date, rather, a relationship. This established, we move on to dating through physical evidence. QUOTED FROM WORLD BOOK 2006, Contributor: Thomas R. Hester, Ph.D., Professor of Anthropology, University of Texas, Austin. "Other absolute dating techniques have more narrow applications. Potassium-argon dating is used mainly in Africa to determine the age of rocks associated with fossils of early human ancestors. Other techniques, such as electron spin resonance, uranium-series dating, and obsidian-hydration dating, are used in special circumstances or when radiocarbon dating is not possible. " <<sidenote - having the WBE on disc is absolutely wonderful>> That being the case, modern humans, Homosapiens, have been around for several hundred thousand years. The Austrolopithicus (earliest human) has been dated 4 million years old. What follows is the WBE's description of the human's development: The Bible describes how God created the world and all its living things, including the first human beings, in six days. Many people accept this description as fact. Evidence from fossils has convinced most scientists that human beings developed over millions of years from ancestors that were not completely human. However, the fossil record does not yet provide enough information to trace human development in detail. As a result, not all experts agree on how human beings developed. This section describes human physical development as a majority of anthropologists believe it occurred. Prehuman ancestors. Anthropologists believe human beings, chimpanzees, and gorillas all developed from a common ancestor that lived from 5 million to 10 million years ago. Many scientists once thought that the earliest direct ancestor of human beings was a creature called Ramapithecus. This creature lived from 8 million to 14 million years ago. During the late 1900's, however, discoveries of Ramapithecus fossils suggested the creature was an ancestor of the orangutan, a kind of ape. More than 4 million years ago, a more advanced form of humanlike creature called Australopithecus appeared in Africa. Fossil remains of the australopithecine skeleton indicate that these creatures stood fully erect and walked on two legs. The australopithecines were about 4 to 5 feet (120 to 150 centimeters) tall and had a brain about a third the size of a modern human brain. Early human beings. Many scientists regard the species Homo habilis (skillful human being) as the first type of human being. These primitive people appeared about 2 million years ago in Africa and are believed to have developed from the australopithecines. Archaeological evidence shows that Homo habilis used stone tools. Homo habilis fossils have been found at Lake Turkana in Kenya and at other sites in eastern Africa. Some scientists believe that another species of human being, called Homo rudolfensis, lived at the same time as Homo habilis. Most scientists believe that Homo habilis developed into a more advanced type of prehistoric human being known as Homo erectus (erect human being). Homo erectus appeared about 1,800,000 years ago in Africa and spread to Asia and Europe. It had a larger brain and a more humanlike skull than its ancestors. From the neck down, Homo erectus resembled the human beings of today. But it had a low forehead and a large jaw like Homo habilis and the australopithecines. The culture of Homo erectus was more highly developed than that of Homo habilis. Homo erectus made and used a wider variety of stone tools than its ancestors did. It learned how to make fire about 600,000 years ago and was probably the first human species to do so. Fossils indicate that Homo erectus may have hunted large animals, and this sort of hunting would have required planning and cooperation. Human beings of today. Most scientists believe that Homo erectus developed into the species Homo sapiens between about 400,000 and 300,000 years ago. Homo sapiens basically resembled Homo erectus but had a larger brain and smaller jaws and teeth. As time passed, Homo sapiens developed a rounded skull and long, straight limbs. Homo sapiens looked like today's human beings by at least 40,000 years ago and perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago. A majority of anthropologists classify all people who have lived in the last 40,000 years as Homo sapiens.
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Post by Spinner on Nov 29, 2006 22:02:07 GMT -5
okay.. I'm at lost at the whole dino thing but let's start with the question...
Why CAN'T there be a god?
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 29, 2006 22:43:23 GMT -5
We were discussing dinos because Den believes they lived alongside humans.
Spinner, modern scientists and theologians have agreed that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God. Deism is a perfectly valid explanation of the creation of the universe which I don't personally agree with. It basically says that God created the world, then left it to its own devices w/o writing any sort of infallible Bible or setting up a code of moral rules (in this belief, heaven may or may not exist, it's chief explanation is creation, not afterlife).
As I have said, I am an advocate of circular time. In this view, time never began and will never end. The universe has always existed and always will exist. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. The universe expands and contracts perpetually. As I recall, Stephen Hawking supports this theory, but I will have to research more to find what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2006 13:05:26 GMT -5
what is your opinion on plato's 2 realms? one being perfect and the other perfect, created in imge of each toher by God. (we live in the imperfect btw). just wondering.
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 30, 2006 21:01:05 GMT -5
That's more philosophy than religion. Create a separate thread.
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Post by Spinner on Dec 1, 2006 5:41:18 GMT -5
^^agree....
even if you are pro-circular time, you're saying that there CAN be a god.
P.S. I know what deism is. Truth be told, even before I heard there was such a thing, I was thought it up when I was eight. And only until I was about twelve did I know that I wasn't the only one who thought about it apparently.
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Post by jollymcjollyson on Dec 1, 2006 10:33:25 GMT -5
I consider myself a Christian, but I selected other. Christians are embarassing me too much lately what with all the homophobia, greed, pedophilia, scandal, and hypocrisy.
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Post by jollymcjollyson on Dec 1, 2006 10:34:17 GMT -5
I've read many books, even picture related ones , that had dinosaurs in the same period as man. Probably entirely picture related ones, haha. Humans have been around for about 30,000 years. Dinos were wiped out long long LONG before that. Carbon dating may have it's inaccuracies, but it's not gonna be 65 million years off. Besides, the Bible says a day in God's eye is like a thousand years, and the largest number in the Bible is 600,000 (the number of Israelites who left Egypt). Perhaps the concept numbers in the millions and billions evaded people at that time, it's not hard to believe by any stretch of the imagination. From that we can conclude it's possible that God created the Universe over billions of years. For me, the Bible explains why, and the Big Bang and Evolution explain how. God rarely operates outside of our physical laws, if you think about it. Making a bush burn, swallowing people up in the earth, giving people earthly diseases. Other than turning Lots' wife into a pillar of salt, God lets the physical laws of our world govern His actions. Why create genetics and radiations ability to mutate them without allowing for evolution? Besides, INTRA-species evolution has been proved FAR beyond a reasonable doubt. Inter-species is debated mostly because a random genetic mutation could vary an organism so greatly that there didn't seem to be any transition animal.
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Post by johnsapphire on Dec 1, 2006 10:55:28 GMT -5
The modern human has been around for more like 40.000 years, but yes. At this point, I'm not arguing the belief in a personal god, rather, the scientifically inaccurate things that such people *may* buy into. And Den, it seems, is our case in point (no disrespect meant).
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