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Post by Gil Alexander on Nov 21, 2006 18:00:08 GMT -5
Has the quality of music go down as time passes?
There have been mini-debates about this all over the site, and people should probably stop doing that and fogging up other people's threads with them.
Many would say that this issue is very largely based on opinion, so please keep in mind that music that appeals to you might not appeal to someone else, and vise versa. But that doesn't say anything about the QUALITY of the music. Just keep that in mind while debating.
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Post by Chris on Nov 21, 2006 19:53:16 GMT -5
I wholly agree with the issue is a matter of personal opinion. After all, one of the aims of music is to entertain the listener, and therefore the quality of music, no matter what genre or time period it was composed in, just boils down to the person listening to it.
Another point to consider is that the person who makes music will often draw from personal experiences, thoughts and feelings and incorporate them into their art, and therefore the musics of yesteryear and today's music are as incomparable as apples and oranges, because the thoughts, experiences and feelings of a musician from a time period like the 16th Century are bound to be different than that of the modern person. There are bound to be principal differences between the two, because the music of either time period will reflect the perspectives and lifestyles of their era, that make them too fundamentally diverse to even bother to compare them to each other.
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 21, 2006 23:23:01 GMT -5
The composing of music comes from a single nerve cluster in the brain. The brain hasn't changed over time. Society and culture have merely evolved—deteriorated, in my opinion—and people have written different music to mesh with society, whatever one in which they happen to live. I just feel that (after listening to various examples of modern music) there is a lesser vocal demand, so the voices are less trained and more coarse, and the complexity of the music is all but nonexistant (i.e. an entire song can be composed on the I and V chords, without anybody raising an eyebrow).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 13:54:58 GMT -5
I will agree about chords 1 and 5, though occasionally with 6, but music on a whole has not deteriorated. music has changed, yes, and the music that you hear on the radio these days is generally rubbish, but there are still excellent pieces being written. the majority of music scores are excellently written pieces and some of the jazz being produced at the moment is of an excellent standard
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 22, 2006 19:30:35 GMT -5
I argue merely that the classical period was home to more complex and intricate music. Look at any one of Mozart's symphony scores, and tell me that's not true.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2006 15:46:25 GMT -5
but that is not what you argue, John. You labelled all modern music as "crap". I will agree that music of the classical era was generally of a higher complexity than what you may year dominating the radio stations today, but you cannot apply that to all music. Take Malcolm Arnold's Little suite no1 and no2. Both recently composed, but both complex in their melodies and rhythms and exciting suites to play.
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Post by johnsapphire on Nov 28, 2006 10:52:10 GMT -5
I've not heard either. Link me to the scores.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2006 12:07:43 GMT -5
shame. Unfortunately I can't find their scores online for free so I'll download the music and email it to you. Unless you are willing to illegally download it yourself
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Post by jollymcjollyson on Dec 1, 2006 10:25:58 GMT -5
Personally I dislike a great deal of today's music, but I wouldn't say quality has really "gone down." Perhaps the music isn't as intellectual and cerebral as the baroque era, or as technically demanding as prog-metal like Dream Theater, but that doesn't necessarily mean the music's "quality" (which I'm defining as "appeal to its listeners") has lessened. It seems to me that music is simply more driven by rhythm than melody now, it's hard to qualify a change like that.
PS, John, if we're going to talk about complex music, let's use Wagner, Schoenberg, or Richard Strauss. Mozart was brilliant and ahead of his time, for sure, but not nearly as complex as those three. Though they did, of course come from musical styles other than classical (late-Romantic, and Modern).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2006 15:32:33 GMT -5
the complexity of the music is all but nonexistant (i.e. an entire song can be composed on the I and V chords, without anybody raising an eyebrow). Just wanted to alert you to a little sumat John. Beethoven's 4th movement of his 5th symphony was written primarily on chords I and V with the occasional IV thrown in...
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Post by Ed on Dec 6, 2006 22:03:46 GMT -5
In my opinion, i think the complexity has gone down but the creativity has gone up. Of course creativity goes up as people find more and more ways to make new sounds with new technology.
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Post by Denithar on Dec 11, 2006 10:57:59 GMT -5
John Sapphire is the victor in this debate. Fun stuff everybody.
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Post by eakyra on Dec 11, 2006 23:17:54 GMT -5
PS, John, if we're going to talk about complex music, let's use Wagner, Schoenberg, or Richard Strauss. Mozart was brilliant and ahead of his time, for sure, but not nearly as complex as those three. Though they did, of course come from musical styles other than classical (late-Romantic, and Modern). Clearly, this person never knew John. Pitty. Good job John. ;D If you can hear me.
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